These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. No I saw a camel. Really appreciate it. The Connecticut Mountain Lion is the best documented wild Mountain Lion in New England. Thank you very much for being here. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. Caller: I do. By Eric Orff. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. Sam Evans-Brown has been working for New Hampshire Public Radio since 2010, when he began as a freelancer. Rick van de Poll: Well a report that you know as John Harrigan up north has in co-ops County for about 15 years I kept track of reports and people would call me and tell me where they saw the mountain lion they thought they saw it and it varied right from you know downtown villages all the way to remote highlands of the North Country and and everywhere in between. I came to a stop and it was and I've seen a lot of bobcats in my time and I just came to a stop it was just sort of confused about what I was seeing. You saw what you saw. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? Thank you very much for listening. Post your sightings and NH photos here! We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Just. I just stood there just a second and I came to a complete stop and then I ran away. Caller: Absolutely. Not one picture of him online while the person meet with us. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. Lions Clubs Int'l Links: LionNet NH Links 2011 -2012 . There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Peter Biello: This is NHK PR Good morning and HP are summer car raffle is back and now's the time to get your early bird tickets. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. 44-N Links. Thank you for visiting the New Hampshire Fish and Game Department website. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. Have a photo. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. There's no attraction. Peter Biello: Well yeah. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. Phone number 1 800. So one thing I'll add. And here we're talking about in this situation we're talking about it migrated from the West. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. 1957. She quotes a biologist in Lyme New Hampshire who who is keeping two mountain lions himself so in the not too distant past in the early nineteen hundreds it was perhaps more common and still in Maine. Theres tracks everywhere. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. So they're scary. Oh you saw him online. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. nh.gov | privacy policy | accessibility policy Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. I saw the tail end of a literally from behind the shoulder The Long Tail mountain lion crossing the highway going from Password to often Village downtown. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. Peter Biello: Thank you for sharing that. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Rick van de Poll: Well I didn't. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. Why are there so many false positives? If youd like to submit a question (or send a mountain line photo) you can record it as a voice memo on your smart phone and send it tooustidein@nhpr.org, OR call our hotline, 1-844-GO-OTTER (1-844-466-8837) and leave a message. So when we talk about the threshold of evidence required to say for sure you have seen a mountain lion it is rather high. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. Peter Biello: Well I want to ask Patrick about one of these stories a few years ago you had a story about someone who claimed to. And in fact in 2011 when it was announced that the eastern cougar was officially extinct the reason that announcement was made is because they said really that it never existed. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. Reviewing the evidence, the U.S. That's too big for Bobcat. Are these big cats back?Subscribe to WMUR on YouTube now for more: http://bit.ly/1lOjX9CGet more Manchester news: http://wmur.comLike us: http://facebook.com. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. Peter Biello: Yeah. About Us Media Kit Calendar of Events Volunteer Visit Learn Events Membership Support Your Visit BUY TICKETS Know Before You Go Directions and Information Our Animals Live Animal Exhibit Trail Hours and Admission Calendar of Events Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. A lot of times. Peter Biello: Hmm. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. And there's there's no evidence of that cat's movement in that entire you know 12 hundred miles stretch of its journey. So let's let's go to the phones. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Rick van de Poll: Yes. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. The way that we define species has undergone a revolution with the advent of DNA testing. Good morning guys. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! So there is definitely no downward pressure by anyone. They absolutely do. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. Peter Biello: Ok. N.H. It's good to talk to you. Okay. Absolutely. Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. Yes and you want to share what you learned. I think that you probably are. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. We'd love to have you in the queue. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire. Here it is. From "History of New Hampshire Game and Furbearers" by Helenette Silver, Research Clerk, NH Fish and Game Dept. Can you look into this picture. Mountain lions don't usually travel more than 100 miles from where they are born. The Lions of New Hampshire: MD44 Links. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. Now that to me seemed to indicate that they had done the secondary workup that in my opinion proved the existence of probably a disperse or possibly from South Dakota like the one in 2011. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. You need a permit to have that. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. And I can recall its information but I can't confirm or verify anything. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. Thanks for your call. Erler is a senior naturalist at the Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. We're not in the woods. It's bigger but bigger and better world. I've actually had to walk in on one or two now and look at what was going on and figured out what was going on. Part II. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Are there Mountain Lions in NH? (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. I don't see the hoaxes anymore at that level. Any sense of of whether or not mountain lions are sort of wary of more population dense areas like like the one he was describing Rick. About two years ago I was at the Laconia airport on the way home from the airport and there's a big lake on one side called Lily Pond. Peter Biello: And then it ran away okay. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. But on the other side of that coin there is this sense that there have been so many sightings locally and you guys Patrick you might recall the name the Wyndham McCracken she kind of turned herself into a local authority off authorities the right word but she was very dedicated to this. The panther, Fells concolor, is a beast of many names, most frequently referred to in New Hampshire history as catamount, but sometimes known locally as "Indian Devil" or "Carcajou", under which . Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. "Of those three to five reports,. They sent it already. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. Ive received pictures of dogs at odd angles, says Tate. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Mountain lions ( Puma concolor) are one of the six native species of wild cats in North America. Do they travel. Peter Biello: They make great mascots at least. Give today. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Rick van de Poll: Well education is the real important thrust of of what all of us do as biologists and Game Managers and to make sure that a things like what Sam was saying that in spite of what you believe the mountain lions will not eat your children they will not steal your pets from your backyard and they will not necessarily be seen by you unless you're extremely lucky. So I just throwing that out there it's interesting. The nonbelievers are going to say Show us your evidence and show us prove this to us. Pelosi story here we go. So I want to start the program with a comment from someone who is not in the studio with us today. Caller: Yeah. But you won't find evidence of their existence in paw prints in the snow or a deer carcass in a tree. Right. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. You're on the air. Thanks for calling. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. If you missed part of today's program listen to the exchange. Peter Biello: Yeah well what do you think Pat is. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. It was really muscular looking cat I mean is that like a side angle to me. So Michael follows with the question. Peter Biello: Wow. Really appreciate it. I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. brings a lot of. Okay. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. 10 things to do in NH this weekend: Dartmouth Dance, Hamilton De Holanda & more, Turkish restaurant in the Upper Valley aims to help those affected by recent earthquakes, RFK Jr. tells NH crowd hes considering a presidential run, Epping woman pleads guilty to threatening Michigan election official in 2020. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. Every other Friday on Morning Edition NHPRs Sam Evans-Brown tracks down answers to questions about the environment and outdoors for our listeners in a segment we call Ask Sam.. So here in New Hampshire when a person turns in something that the Department believes is possible mountain lion and believes it should be investigated further. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. Think you've seen a mountain lion? However, dispersing western mountain lions have left evidence as close as Connecticut, Massachusetts and New York. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. There's a lot of photographs that you can see that it's very clearly a tabby cat that someone has thought was a mountain lion. Mountain Lion | Squam Lakes Natural Science Center All exhibit and hiking trails are CLOSED for the season. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Fish and Game then deny the evidence. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Peter Biello: What about the idea of tourism like us leaving aside the fact that it is not on the Endangered Species Act is it. Wed love to be part of the first verified sighting. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an PR. They kill big animals. Yes. 50 feet above the most. There was a lot of DNA evidence. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. M from Tree Hill author series presenting Diane lay back. New Hampshire Public Radio | Rick your thoughts. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. I found a second scat scent both to him. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. And they asked me about the tail which I just did not remember that tail out of that whole experience. So I would put this in the category of sort of like shark attacks right. John thanks. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Listeners give us a call if you'd like. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. And it was unmistakable. Known to exist in the state for over well over a hundred years. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Peter Biello: Or send us an email exchange at an HP board. The current estimate is 2,000 - 2,700 throughout Arizona. The DNA the DNA that they were able to pull from the cat suggested that it was a dispersed mountain lion that came. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HD PR fine Peter Biello and today we're talking with folks who can tell us about the mysterious elusive mountain line and whether or not it is actually here in New Hampshire. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. Join as a $8 per month sustainer and get our brand-new owl umbrella! It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. I'll send it to you. Love hearing these stories. Select image for larger view. That's next time on one day. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. John you're on the air. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. Well thanks for sharing. Share. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Verifiable pictures recorded by the observing person or a trail camera. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. Administrative Links. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. And you know all that. And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. No that's a little bit outside the range. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . I'm sorry go ahead you're on the air. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. So when we hear mountain lion there's also cougar there's wild cat there's Bobcat which is not a mountain lion maybe Patrick could you sort of spell out the different terms which are synonymous and which are completely different animals. When you talk about a bobcat Bobcat maybe 80 90 pounds and then a mountain lion could be between 130 and 180 pounds. Infinite Scroll Enabled. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. GAP MOUNTAIN LIONS CLUB Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire (USA) District 44-N . Give today. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. So it's there was no question in my mind. Mountain Lions in NH. The report came in from a conservation officer. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. So take care of this problem. So and so they so they do get pretty involved. Theyve always said when we have verifiable evidence to say a mountain lion has been, is, or was in the state that wed acknowledge that and give that information out, says Pat Tate, the furbearer biologist with New Hampshire Fish and Game, who insists theres no conspiracy. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. I just want to tell you a story that I read. We live around Cold Springs Campground and it was undeniably a mountain lion. Many people in New Hampshire have claimed to have seen mountain lions. Its actually fairly reasonable to believe that mountain lions do, at least, pass through occasionally. Mountain lions live in the state. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat.
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